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Cuckolding a man yet caring about him? "In Some Room Above the Street"
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d***@bellsouth.net
2009-08-19 16:18:12 UTC
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Cuckolding a man yet caring about him? The touching story told by the
song In Some Room Above the Street By Denise Noe

I find the song In Some Room Above the Street, especially as sung in
the inimitable vibrato of the late country singer Gary Stewart, to
have an extraordinary emotional power. Part of the reason for the
song’s power is that it ends on an unexpectedly poignant note.

The song begins by telling of a rather commonplace activity: a couple
who meet in secret, in a hotel or motel room, to engage in sexual
activity. Both of them are secretive because both are married to
someone else.

The narrator speaks of himself and his lover as being “like thieves
and beggars when we meet.” These stigmatized terms are appropriate.
Each is stealing the comfort and pleasure that has been sworn to
another and stealing from their own spouse’s. They feel like beggars
because their relationship has the “low,” embarrassing quality
attached to begging.

Despite their guilt and sense of shame, they continue the affair
because their feelings together are so very “sweet.”

However, the narrator ends by singing, “If he should want your love
tonight, don’t turn away, don’t hurt his pride. Close your eyes and
think of me in some room above a street.”

What is striking in the above passage is the narrator’s concern and
empathy for the man he is cuckolding. This might not be as strange as
it seems. Both the narrator and his lover take care to keep their
illicit activities secret and probably believe – or at least hope –
that what his wife and her husband don’t know won’t hurt them.

The narrator knows that his lover may be tempted to turn away from her
husband out of a feeling, however irrational, that she should be
faithful to the man whom she really loves or at least really desires.
But the man singing also knows that while the husband may not be hurt
by an affair he doesn’t know about, he will inevitably be wounded by a
wife’s rejection. The narrator does not want their affair to cause
another man such a psychic injury. Our singer feels for the husband as
a human being, since humans of both sexes are hurt by rejection, and
specifically as a man since men are usually the ones making advances
and therefore the ones disproportionately apt to be rejected.

Does the man’s lover no longer desire her husband because he has lost
the physical characteristics that once attracted her? That is a
possibility. Another is that the passage of time and the familiarity
of a long marriage have caused her passion for her husband to dull.
However, her lover urges her to do something that a person of either
sex can do: use an illicit passion to rekindle the fires of a marital
one. It neither condones nor excuses adultery but it is an odd irony
of life that extra-marital erotic stimulation can be brought home to
the marriage bed. In Some Room Above the Street is a song that
displays a sense of wisdom and caring even as it tells of a situation
that is fundamentally sordid.
OldMan Zeke
2009-08-20 01:29:25 UTC
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A guy walks into a bar. He goes up to the barman and says "I'll have a
pint of Fosters please mate". The barman happily obliges and says
"That'll be 3 cents please." The customer is astonished. "That's great",
he says. "How much are your cigars?" "Those are two cents", says the
barman. "Really!" says the customer. "I'll have five boxes of those", he
says. "While I'm here, give me a case of that booze as well". The barman
gives him the booze.
The customer can't resist asking what's up with this bar. "Are you the
owner of this place?" he asks. "No" says the barman, "He's upstairs with
my wife". "What's he doing to her?" Asks the customer, trying to be
polite. "The same thing I 'm doing to his business", says the barman.
KingCountryI
2009-08-20 20:16:52 UTC
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Post by d***@bellsouth.net
Cuckolding a man yet caring about him? The touching story told by the
song In Some Room Above the Street By Denise Noe
I find the song In Some Room Above the Street, especially as sung in
the inimitable vibrato of the late country singer Gary Stewart, to
have an extraordinary emotional power. Part of the reason for the
song’s power is that it ends on an unexpectedly poignant note.
The song begins by telling of a rather commonplace activity: a couple
who meet in secret, in a hotel or motel room, to engage in sexual
activity.
Commonplace? I don't think so. You seem to be telling more about
yourself than you probably should, or at least more than you probably
intended. It sounds like you've done this sort of thing, and now want
to shrug off your bad behavior by trying to say it's commonplace. It
isn't.
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
Both of them are secretive because both are married to someone else.<
Actions speak louder than words. They're ashamed of themselves.
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
The narrator speaks of himself and his lover as being “like thieves
and beggars when we meet.” These stigmatized terms are appropriate.
Each is stealing the comfort and pleasure that has been sworn to
another and stealing from their own spouse’s. They feel like beggars
because their relationship has the “low,” embarrassing quality
attached to begging.
Despite their guilt and sense of shame, they continue the affair
because their feelings together are so very “sweet.”
However, the narrator ends by singing, “If he should want your love
tonight, don’t turn away, don’t hurt his pride. Close your eyes and
think of me in some room above a street.”
What is striking in the above passage is the narrator’s concern and
empathy for the man he is cuckolding. <
Don't quit your day job. : ) I guess we can say with certainty, you're
NOT a psychologist! : ) LOL !!!!!! What's striking is your misreading
of the situation. The narrator has absolutely NO concern or empathy
for ANYONE BUT HIMSELF! For you to not understand that immediately,
sends up more red flags than the Daytona 500!
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
This might not be as strange as
it seems. Both the narrator and his lover take care to keep their
illicit activities secret and probably believe – or at least hope –
that what his wife and her husband don’t know won’t hurt them.<
Again, don't quit your day job. They don't care a bit about anyone
else. The woman in the story is an unwitting dupe, with no self
esteem, who is being controlled by the narcissistic man. Why buy the
cow when the milk is free. The REAL tragedy of a song like this, is
there's no sequel, to show what inevitably always happens.
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
The narrator knows that his lover may be tempted to turn away from her
husband out of a feeling, however irrational, that she should be
faithful to the man whom she really loves or at least really desires.
But the man singing also knows that while the husband may not be hurt
by an affair he doesn’t know about, he will inevitably be wounded by a
wife’s rejection. The narrator does not want their affair to cause
another man such a psychic injury. Our singer feels for the husband as
a human being, since humans of both sexes are hurt by rejection, and
specifically as a man since men are usually the ones making advances
and therefore the ones disproportionately apt to be rejected.
Does the man’s lover no longer desire her husband because he has lost
the physical characteristics that once attracted her? That is a
possibility. Another is that the passage of time and the familiarity
of a long marriage have caused her passion for her husband to dull.
However, her lover urges her to do something that a person of either
sex can do: use an illicit passion to rekindle the fires of a marital
one.
Say WHAT??????? What the hell are you smokin' honey????


It neither condones nor excuses adultery but it is an odd irony
Post by d***@bellsouth.net
of life that extra-marital erotic stimulation can be brought home to
the marriage bed. In Some Room Above the Street is a song that
displays a sense of wisdom and caring even as it tells of a situation
that is fundamentally sordid.
Hogwash. There's a reason this song is basically unheard of, and will
NEVER be a hit : IT'S ABSURD!!!!!!

We've mentioned a million times how the great songs contain universal
truths that everyone immediately identifies with, and there's not a
single iota of truth in this guilt-ridden attempt to justify his
bizarre behavior.

What's obvious is, this song was written by a guilty man, and a
delusional one at that. Anyone this dishonest about his life and
emotions, had to have had a very disturbing and unhappy personal life,
and based on this sad attempt at honesty, was probably incapable of
ever writing a successful song.

Save us the time of looking it up and please tell us who wrote this
song. This sounds like it must have come from the distured mind/pen of
Gary Stewart himself. Thanks
d***@bellsouth.net
2009-08-20 22:49:41 UTC
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Post by KingCountryI
Save us the time of looking it up and please tell us who wrote this
song. This sounds like it must have come from the distured mind/pen of
Gary Stewart himself. Thanks
(Denise) Allmusic.com lists Sterling Whipple as "composer" of the
song.
KingCountryI
2009-08-21 20:37:46 UTC
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Post by KingCountryI
What's obvious is, this song was written by a guilty man, and a
delusional one at that. Anyone this dishonest about his life and
emotions, had to have had a very disturbing and unhappy personal life,
and based on this sad attempt at honesty, was probably incapable of
ever writing a successful song.
Save us the time of looking it up and please tell us who wrote this
song. This sounds like it must have come from the distured mind/pen of
Gary Stewart himself. Thanks-
Allmusic.com lists Sterling Whipple as "composer" of the song.<
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!! Although apparently it wasn't writen by Gary Stewart,
it was in fact written by a man! Only a delusional man could write
such nonsense, and only an equally delusional man could ever record
it! : )

Sterling Whipple rings a bell in the old cranium, in that I seem to
remember Merle Haggard cutting one of his songs for his train LP, and
I believe one of Merle's kids (Marty ?) cut a Sterling Whipple song,
too. Either way, my point was/is that anyone that much in denial could
never write a song that would have universal truth that would resonate
with the masses, because he was delusional, and obviously deep in
denial about his cheating ways.

I seem to remember the "Old Silver Ghost" or something like that about
a coal mine train that might have been the Whipple song Merle
recorded, and possibly "Missing California Blues" or some such thing
Marty recorded.

Anyhow, bottom line in both cases theywere obviously non-personal,
which was my immediate contention when I read the ridiculous lyrics to
the song he wrote that Gary Stewart foolishly recorded.

I would be willing to bet a LOT of money, that Mr. Whipple was a
cheating husband/boyfriend, and lived a very unhappy personal life at
least until or if he was able to get himself into therapy.

In any case, like I said, it would be almost IMPOSSIBLE for him to
have ever written a GREAT Country song, because unlike say Harlan
Howard, there was no honesty in Mr. Whipple's lyrics.

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